{"id":475,"date":"2024-12-12T14:13:26","date_gmt":"2024-12-12T19:13:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/?p=475"},"modified":"2024-12-12T14:14:41","modified_gmt":"2024-12-12T19:14:41","slug":"is-winter-coming-climagination-with-jason-grillo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/2024\/12\/12\/is-winter-coming-climagination-with-jason-grillo\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Winter Coming? \u2013 Climagination with Jason Grillo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">How reframing carbon removal can be a throughline to a prosperous industry<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_477\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-477\" style=\"width: 512px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-477\" src=\"http:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"512\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed.jpg 512w, https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-477\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo by Ruvim Miksanskiy: https:\/\/www.pexels.com\/photo\/aerial-photography-of-snow-covered-trees-1438761\/<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cKnowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom\u201d &#8211; Lao Tzu<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Writing this in December as indeed winter is upon us, I\u2019ve noticed a different kind of winter that may be coming to carbon removal: a general decline of interest in sustainability and climate among corporations who would be voluntary carbon market purchasers. In this post, I\u2019ll explore the nature of this problem, recap how corporate rollback has happened before, and offer some potential paths forward.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">First, some context. While the last 5 weeks since the US election has seen climate <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/open.substack.com\/pub\/climagination\/p\/cdr-policy-roads-less-traveled?r=762b1&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=true\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">scrambling to understand<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> what the implications of Donald Trump\u2019s victory might mean for policy, evidence has been piling up for approximately <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/hbr.org\/2024\/08\/companies-are-scaling-back-sustainability-pledges-heres-what-they-should-do-instead\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">18 months prior to that<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u00a0 ESG hiring growth <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reveliolabs.com\/news\/business\/as-earth-warms-wall-street-cools-on-esg\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">is down<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> after a crescendo from 2019-2021, and very recently large corporations such as <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ajc.com\/news\/business\/coca-cola-lowers-its-goals-for-reducing-plastic-pollution-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions\/GQ6SZ23ARZBJ7PQO5WULTTBSUU\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Coca Cola<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/sustainability\/sustainable-finance-reporting\/goldman-sachs-quits-global-climate-coalition-banks-2024-12-06\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Goldman Sachs<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> are changing course on how to deliver on sustainability targets.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Declining corporate sustainability budgets may constrict sales opportunities among more mainstream voluntary carbon market purchasers.Indeed, it appears that <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.edie.net\/rise-in-corporate-climate-targets-continues-but-credibility-concerns-persist\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">while targets are being set,<\/span><\/a> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">corporations are <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pwc.com\/us\/en\/services\/esg\/library\/decarbonization-strategic-plan.html\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">falling short of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">resourcing <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">efforts<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to meet those lofty goals. Additional macroeconomic changes &#8211; real or projected &#8211; such as inflation, high tariffs, or the end of <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2024\/02\/26\/silicon-valley-zero-interest-rate-economic-policy\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Zero Interest Rate Policy<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> may cause customers and investors to withdraw support.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">For a case study in how a generation of startups might grapple with this, let\u2019s consider lessons from \u201cCleantech 1.0\u201d from approximately the mid-2000s to early 2010s. In that time period, a wave of startups created a myriad of carbon-free energy solutions &#8211; for example, solar, wind, EVs, batteries, or energy efficiency software. A scarcity of patient capital, low-priced competition from abroad, particularly China, and inconsistent government tax credit support consistently challenged companies working on solutions in these sectors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The solar, wind, and battery startups were clear: they were not in the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201calternative energy\u201d<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> business, they were in the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">energy<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> business with the all-important Levelized Cost of Electricity (LCOE) as their benchmark. Demand for clean energy persisted and grew among energy customers, particularly due to Germany\u2019s Feed-In-Tariff policy for solar, wind and geothermal. Support by Germany\u2019s leadership, and experiential learning by deploying led to solar cost declines outpacing their forecasts by decades:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-478\" src=\"http:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"512\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed.png 512w, https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/12\/unnamed-300x176.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This enabled renewable energy companies in the early 2010s to survive &#8211; and thrive &#8211;\u00a0 during the \u2018long winter\u2019 for climate investment between 2011 and 2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Two more examples from outside climate on the practice of business re-definition, one a failure, one a success:<\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Railroads<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. In the early years of the twentieth century, railroads were a significant player in the United States\u2019 and world economy, moving huge volumes of goods and passengers. Today railroads occupy a fraction of the economy since automobiles, trucks, and air transportation of goods and people appeared on the scene, taking away significant market share such that many railroads had to declare bankruptcy. The railroads\u2019 failure: defining themselves too narrowly as <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">railroad<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> companies, not more broadly as <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">transportation<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> companies (<\/span><\/span>For more on this see <a style=\"font-size: 1rem\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marketing-Myopia-Harvard-Business-Classics\/dp\/1422126013\">Theodore Levitt, \u201cMarketing Myopia\u201d<\/a>).<\/li>\n<li><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Professional wrestling<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Yes, I watched my fair share of the spectacle on TV during my (awkward) junior high school years. What I didn\u2019t realize then was that I was witnessing a redefinition of a business that decades later has thrived and grown. How? A philosophical shift in how they defined their business: specifically, the owner of the then-World Wrestling Federation <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nodq.com\/features\/video-vince-mcmahon-interview-from-1985-about-being-in-the-sports-entertainment-business\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">quipped once<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that they are in the \u201c<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">sports entertainment<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201d business rather than the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">wrestling<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> business &#8211; that is, oriented to the customer rather than the process of wrestling itself. Nearly forty years later, World Wrestling Entertainment had revenue of over <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/companiesmarketcap.com\/wwe\/revenue\/.\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">$1.3 billion.<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">To be clear, I am NOT suggesting that CDR startups become \u2018climate entertainment\u2019 companies! However I believe that companies who are developing solutions intended primarily to help the climate struggle to define their business in a broader industrial context to that frame them well for success with future customers in the event of a climate tech \u2018winter\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In short, consider the thought that <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2018climate\u2019 is not an industry<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: it\u2019s an umbrella term for technology and business innovations spanning a wide variety of industrial sectors, that happen to yield low or negative emissions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">For many carbon removal project developers, defining along industrial lines means redefining what business they are in, and figuring out who their customer is, so they can craft a solution in a time that may be challenging in the short term. Doing so could lead to solutions that are able to penetrate existing industries with better\/faster\/cheaper products <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">and improve climate health as a secondary &#8211; and still very important &#8211; benefit<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Finding a customer who can utilize the physical product or by-product of carbon removal would integrate carbon removal processes into a larger economy beyond credit sales alone. Deploying the technology for an end-use would generate customer revenue and also lead to cost improvements with experience, per <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/journals.plos.org\/plosone\/article?id=10.1371\/journal.pone.0052669\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wright\u2019s Law<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Internally CDR businesses should talk about themselves in terms beyond what they can do for climate. This can happen in founders meetings, with investors, with marketing partners and others who they deal with to bring their solutions to market. And in doing so develop solutions that, for example:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2026produce a soil amendment or improve soil health =\u00a0 \u201cwe\u2019re in the business of helping farmers deliver high quality food cheaply to consumers\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2026generate energy in rural areas = \u201cgenerating heat or electricity to places that may suffer energy scarcity\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2026combine with building materials = \u201cmake it easier for homes or roadways to be built\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2026use agricultural waste as a feedstock \u201cease the burden of disposal owners of agricultural land\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u2026create gases for fuel or specialty chemicals \u201cenabling the new energy and materials economy\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Carbon removal business leaders can see beyond a purely technical definition of their product, retaining personal motivations to do well for the climate while seeking commercial markets that may not have climate as top-of-mind. Key question: In the possible absence of policy interventions or without carbon credits, how would a bottom-line motivated customer buy a solution to help their own business needs?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about carbon removal crediting? Offset crediting is still an option if there is sufficient interest among voluntary purchasers &#8211; this is still a relevant pathway to viability. That said, companies could decrease unit cost curves by pursuing insetting to deploy more projects, and in doing so lower their internal costs to enable creating offset credits for sale in the voluntary market.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ultimately, compliance markets will be where carbon removal will see its greatest impact on climate, offering a dynamic quite different from motivations of voluntary carbon market customers. Redefining the business along a utilization pathway is a way of seeing a generation of carbon removal startups through to that time. Figuring out the fundamental <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">business<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that a CDR company is pursuing could safeguard against market uncertainties as corporate sustainability interest waxes and wanes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><i>Jason Grillo is a Co-Founder of AirMiners. The opinions expressed in this writing are the author\u2019s own and do not reflect the position of any employer.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How reframing carbon removal can be a throughline to a prosperous industry \u201cKnowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom\u201d &#8211; Lao Tzu Writing this in December as indeed winter is upon us, I\u2019ve noticed a different kind of winter that may be coming to carbon removal: a general decline of interest in sustainability &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/2024\/12\/12\/is-winter-coming-climagination-with-jason-grillo\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Is Winter Coming? \u2013 Climagination with Jason Grillo&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,65],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-475","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blog-post","category-climagination"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/475","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=475"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/475\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=475"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=475"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.american.edu\/carbonremoval\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=475"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}